i think it will have a shocking effect on so many agencies of the government that, hopefully -- >> what do you think it will take for people to say, finally, let's get together and figure out a way to not let this happen. >> because to the military are the most severe. that will require the layoffs of thousands of employees could not to mention military operations and maintenance. but also these cuts will affect every agency, every operation of the government, except social security, medicare, medicaid, and food stamps. those are exempt. but every other agency of the -- other agency or program will receive a cut, probably 5% around it. but since we're willing to the fiscal year, the balance of the year, these few months, you will see these cuts have a greater impact than 5% for the year. >> the way this thing is designed, he does oppose you can believe identity program levels. not every account or agency is important. if i was the culture secretary, i might be more concerned about need inspections. but they don't have the flexibility to do anything about this. do you want to try to give